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**CIBF** Sáb Jul 02, 2011 5:12 am

ASSESSING STUDENTS IS A HARD TASK AND SOMETIMES A BIG RISK. THE FEEDBACK TEACHERS PROVIDE DURING ORAL OR WRITTEN WORK IS VERY IMPORTANT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT WHEN TEACHING ENGLISH TO KIDS, CORRECTING LANGUAGE FORM OR CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE?
EXPLAIN WHY.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT SOME OF YOUR CLASSMATES COMMENTARIES?

gabylour Sáb Jul 02, 2011 6:42 am

ASSESSING STUDENTS IS A HARD TASK AND SOMETIMES A BIG RISK. THE FEEDBACK TEACHERS PROVIDE DURING ORAL OR WRITTEN WORK IS VERY IMPORTANT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT WHEN TEACHING ENGLISH TO KIDS, CORRECTING LANGUAGE FORM OR CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE?
EXPLAIN WHY.

Both are important of course but I think the principal is that s.s. can communicate with others without feel embarrassed or afraid by the way to express themselves. After, with the time and practice, kids can learn more about grammar and the structures we have to manage. Just the same we learn our native language.

Luz María Guzmán Rodrígue Sáb Jul 02, 2011 7:35 am

CIBF escribió:ASSESSING STUDENTS IS A HARD TASK AND SOMETIMES A BIG RISK. THE FEEDBACK TEACHERS PROVIDE DURING ORAL OR WRITTEN WORK IS VERY IMPORTANT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT WHEN TEACHING ENGLISH TO KIDS, CORRECTING LANGUAGE FORM OR CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE?
EXPLAIN WHY.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT SOME OF YOUR CLASSMATES COMMENTARIES?

ASSESSING STUDENTS IS A HARD TASK AND SOMETIMES A BIG RISK. THE FEEDBACK TEACHERS PROVIDE DURING ORAL OR WRITTEN WORK IS VERY IMPORTANT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT WHEN TEACHING ENGLISH TO KIDS, CORRECTING LANGUAGE FORM OR CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE?
EXPLAIN WHY.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT SOME OF YOUR CLASSMATES COMMENTARIES?
I definitely think that is more important to correct content of the massage because we have to make sure students organized their thoughts in a meaningful and logical sequence in order to express their ideas, points of view feelings, or judgments.
I believe that correcting language from should also be done but not while students are in a speaking activity, I would do it as a feedback so in further speaking activities students have a better use of the language in terms of form.

Maribel Torres Sáb Jul 02, 2011 7:40 am

ASSESSING STUDENTS IS A HARD TASK AND SOMETIMES A BIG RISK. THE FEEDBACK TEACHERS PROVIDE DURING ORAL OR WRITTEN WORK IS VERY IMPORTANT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT WHEN TEACHING ENGLISH TO KIDS, CORRECTING LANGUAGE FORM OR CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE?
EXPLAIN WHY.
I think that content of the message is most important because the main idea of learn any language is to communicate as you can and if you get the idea you will understand with the others and about correcting language form with the time they can correct those mistakes or lacks of language.

Marissa Sáb Jul 02, 2011 4:08 pm

I think that both are important, because we teach all the abilities and the correction needs to take place, and is expected and desired by students. However, the manner in which teachers correct students plays a vital role in whether students become confident in their usage or become intimidated. Correcting students as a group, in correction sessions, at the end of activities, and letting them correct their own mistakes all help in encouraging students to use English rather than to worry about making too many mistakes.

elisa solache Sáb Jul 02, 2011 5:02 pm

ASSESSING STUDENTS IS A HARD TASK AND SOMETIMES A BIG RISK. THE FEEDBACK TEACHERS PROVIDE DURING ORAL OR WRITTEN WORK IS VERY IMPORTANT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT WHEN TEACHING ENGLISH TO KIDS, CORRECTING LANGUAGE FORM OR CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE?
EXPLAIN WHY.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT SOME OF YOUR CLASSMATES COMMENTARIES?.

I think that depends on the activity and the main goal of your activity, for example if what you want your students to do is to communicate, then what it is important is the content of the message, so they can express what they want, making sentences or phrases, maybe simple but with a logical and sense structure. But if the activity it is a grammar reinforcement for the students as an exercise to use what they just learn, it is more important to correct the language form.

I agree with Marissa ang Gaby that both content and form are important, and that we need to respect our students, and make sure that we are not making them feel less or bad, we need to be careful and know that not all of them are equal and that sometimes we need to change the way we correct studets depending on their personality.

mina Sáb Jul 02, 2011 5:26 pm

ASSESSING STUDENTS IS A HARD TASK AND SOMETIMES A BIG RISK. THE FEEDBACK TEACHERS PROVIDE DURING ORAL OR WRITTEN WORK IS VERY IMPORTANT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT WHEN TEACHING ENGLISH TO KIDS, CORRECTING LANGUAGE FORM OR CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE?
EXPLAIN WHY.

In my point of view it is not enough to know vocabulary and grammar, children must know how to use that knowledge to develop effective language kills, for that reason content and form are important on language learning. Kids need to develop fluency using the language, listening and writing without worry about every word. They need to be able to speak and write without having to think about every word or structure they want to use. Further more children need to learn how to use their knowledge to work out the meaning of the new words and structures. I agree with my classmates Elisa, Marisa and Gaby because language is for communication and knowledge of forms and meanings (Linguistic competence) is taken part of communicative competence
GUILLERMINA MONTAÑO MORALES

mina Sáb Jul 02, 2011 5:26 pm

mina escribió:ASSESSING STUDENTS IS A HARD TASK AND SOMETIMES A BIG RISK. THE FEEDBACK TEACHERS PROVIDE DURING ORAL OR WRITTEN WORK IS VERY IMPORTANT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT WHEN TEACHING ENGLISH TO KIDS, CORRECTING LANGUAGE FORM OR CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE?
EXPLAIN WHY.

In my point of view it is not enough to know vocabulary and grammar, children must know how to use that knowledge to develop effective language kills, for that reason content and form are important on language learning. Kids need to develop fluency using the language, listening and writing without worry about every word. They need to be able to speak and write without having to think about every word or structure they want to use. Further more children need to learn how to use their knowledge to work out the meaning of the new words and structures. I agree with my classmates Elisa, Marisa and Gaby because language is for communication and knowledge of forms and meanings (Linguistic competence) is taken part of communicative competence
GUILLERMINA MONTAÑO MORALES

**Milagros Almaraz Adaya** Sáb Jul 02, 2011 6:21 pm

I think both are important but in my opinion it depends of tha grade, the kwoledge of ss, the age, and the activity. Thinking in my students (preschool students) I let them to talk if there are strivig to say sth no problem if they are wrong, no problem if they use NO lingúistic tools to communicate their feelings or needs. The important is how to correct them or how to encourage to say that in better way.
I agree with Marissa about their opinion because both are important but you need to look for the strategy that help you to correct your ss. in the best way.

LEONOR FRANCO Sáb Jul 02, 2011 8:21 pm

WHAT DO YOU THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT WHEN TEACHING ENGLISH TO KIDS, CORRECTING LANGUAGE FORM OR CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE?
EXPLAIN WHY.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT SOME OF YOUR CLASSMATES COMMENTARIES?

It’s important to keep in mind that language learning for children must be based on content, not on structures. Like teacher said: they want to learn English because they want to understand songs, for example. Language is for communication and must have a purpose. We have to create them the interest to learn about something, students can create and develop their skills and imagination. So for that reason l think we have to correct both.
I’m agree with Marissa, we need to know when and how correct them in order to do not affect our students.

monsieur Sáb Jul 02, 2011 8:42 pm

I think message because students can learn big chunks of conversations and then they can use it and do their own sentences thaughts, and ideas while language form can be learn by practicing with others, watching movies, cartoons, or litening to music. If we teach grammar to kids may be they will learn but they will forget it very soon.

erika moreno Sáb Jul 02, 2011 8:44 pm

I think that the both are important but for example for my students they want to express their selves and it’s so difficult for them so in a lot of classes we focus in it because they want to learn to communicate (they have the curiosity about) so I have to take advantage of.
But I agree with Elisa it depends on the activity and the main goal of your class if your planning is focus on grammar, listening, reading or writing of course if we can do the four skill in the same class perfect but we have a specific skill. About Leonor it’s the case of my groups they have the interest so with a little we have the opportunity to practice communication.

monsieur Sáb Jul 02, 2011 8:50 pm

BY FELIPE RODRIGUEZ
I agree with marissa because when you correct a student you have to do it at the end and you have to be very careful. you have to be kind and polite.

and I agree with Leonor that we have to teach them base in a content. we have to know their interests and likes and dislikes.

Gaby Helguera Sáb Jul 02, 2011 8:51 pm

Both are important because it is neccesary tath they develop 4 abilities but we don't have to do less important the fact that the objective of language is comunication and if they are comunicating you have to notice and praising their effort.And of course it's important correct mistakes since the beginning but you have to take care about the form you are correcting your students, I think it's better do it when they are talking with you and not in front of all class because sometimes you could make them feel unconfident.

Roura Connie Sáb Jul 02, 2011 9:55 pm

ASSESSING STUDENTS IS A HARD TASK AND SOMETIMES A BIG RISK. THE FEEDBACK TEACHERS PROVIDE DURING ORAL OR WRITTEN WORK IS VERY IMPORTANT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT WHEN TEACHING ENGLISH TO KIDS, CORRECTING LANGUAGE FORM OR CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE?
EXPLAIN WHY.

Both are important but I think that the content of the message is more important. One of the objectives of the language is communication, so Ss need to communicate. Kids are cruel and laugh about their classmates and these are obstacles that Ss speak. Teachers should make students feel confident. They will start to produce the language.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT SOME OF YOUR CLASSMATES COMMENTARIES?

I agree with Felipe about Ss can learn big chunks of conversation and then can use it.
And with Marissa about how and when you can correct a student.

Ferdinand Sáb Jul 02, 2011 10:38 pm

ASSESSING STUDENTS IS A HARD TASK AND SOMETIMES A BIG RISK. THE FEEDBACK TEACHERS PROVIDE DURING ORAL OR WRITTEN WORK IS VERY IMPORTANT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT WHEN TEACHING ENGLISH TO KIDS, CORRECTING LANGUAGE FORM OR CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE?
EXPLAIN WHY.

BY FELIPE RODRIGUEZ
I agree with marissa because when you correct a student you have to do it at the end and you have to be very careful.

I disagree

it is not a must to correct ss at the end of the class, types of ss require instant correction.
aquiring good monitoring and good use of affective filter can give u the opportunity to decide wheather to correct language form or content of the message.

Answering the question, Both r part of the learning process. Assesment and evaluation should be fair and equitable. A diagnostic previous applied to ss will help decision making about objectives,methodology,grouping,etc. A portfolio assesment plays an important role to provide reflection and feedback on learning. Wink

Nelly Perez Valenzuela Sáb Jul 02, 2011 10:49 pm

ASSESSING STUDENTS IS A HARD TASK AND SOMETIMES A BIG RISK. THE FEEDBACK TEACHERS PROVIDE DURING ORAL OR WRITTEN WORK IS VERY IMPORTANT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT WHEN TEACHING ENGLISH TO KIDS, CORRECTING LANGUAGE FORM OR CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE?
EXPLAIN WHY.
I think both are important.
I think it is important to correct with propriety and courtesy to students.
We teachers must apply the patch to its evaluation in a way that they do not feel discouraged by mistakes is a normal learning process.
As written, I think that similarly help students find the same mistakes, doing this, they are more participatory in the review of its assessment
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT SOME OF YOUR CLASSMATES COMMENTARIES?
I agree with them. their views are important

ana victoriano Lun Jul 04, 2011 4:02 am

[quote="CIBF"]ASSESSING STUDENTS IS A HARD TASK AND SOMETIMES A BIG RISK. THE FEEDBACK TEACHERS PROVIDE DURING ORAL OR WRITTEN WORK IS VERY IMPORTANT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT WHEN TEACHING ENGLISH TO KIDS, CORRECTING LANGUAGE FORM OR CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE?
EXPLAIN WHY

i think that is better content of the message, because you have to give them the idea of wat they are doing or saying, because if you correct theme in the moment they will be afreid to speak so wat you have to do is to give ideas of how to say something

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT SOME OF YOUR CLASSMATES COMMENTARIES?
i agree with all of theme because they have the same idea

**CELIA BARRALES ARENAS** Lun Jul 04, 2011 6:07 am

CIBF escribió:ASSESSING STUDENTS IS A HARD TASK AND SOMETIMES A BIG RISK. THE FEEDBACK TEACHERS PROVIDE DURING ORAL OR WRITTEN WORK IS VERY IMPORTANT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT WHEN TEACHING ENGLISH TO KIDS, CORRECTING LANGUAGE FORM OR CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE?
EXPLAIN WHY.
I think that when a kid starts to talk, it is better to focus in the content of his/her message and then, little by little, we can make suggestions about the correct form to say the message. This is because I think that kids need to feel confidence to continue making progress in their language and we can help them better if we are careful when we assess them. Finally, there are mistakes that they are able to recognize by themselves if we expose them a lot of the language they are going to improve their language skills.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT SOME OF YOUR CLASSMATES COMMENTARIES?
I agree with my colleagues in both the form and content are important. But I think the evidence for natural language acquisition shows that all goes in stages. First the content and then the form.

Susana Delgadillo Smith Jue Jul 07, 2011 3:09 am

I THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT CORRECTING THE LANGUAGE FORM THAN THE CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE BECAUSE THE MAIN POINT IS TO MAKE SS DISCOVER THE LANGUAGE AND IN THIS WAY THEY CAN BUILT DIFFERENT CONTENTS ACCORDING TO THE TOPIC GIVE IT DURING THE CLASS OR THEIR NEEDS ACCORDING TO THE SS AGES.

THIS DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE IS NOT IMPORTANT BUT AS GABY AND MARISA SAID WE HAVE TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THE WAY WE ARE MAKING CORRECTIONS AND IN MY CASE I AGREE WITH ELISA AS WELL AS SOME OF THE THEORIES THAT SAID :WE LEARN BY STIMULUS-RESPONSE ; INTERACTING WITH OUR ENVIRONMENT SO WE HAVE TO MAKE MISTAKE TO CHECK OUR ERRORS.

Vera Aguila Jue Jul 07, 2011 10:54 pm

ASSESSING STUDENTS IS A HARD TASK AND SOMETIMES A BIG RISK. THE FEEDBACK TEACHERS PROVIDE DURING ORAL OR WRITTEN WORK IS VERY IMPORTANT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT WHEN TEACHING ENGLISH TO KIDS, CORRECTING LANGUAGE FORM OR CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE?
EXPLAIN WHY.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT SOME OF YOUR CLASSMATES COMMENTARIES?

I think both of them are important, but when we teach to kids I guess is more important correct the content of the message in order to help them to communicate better and little by little they are going to learn the form.
I like the Luz Maria's answer.

**Edna M. Castillejos** Vie Jul 08, 2011 2:19 am

CIBF escribió:ASSESSING STUDENTS IS A HARD TASK AND SOMETIMES A BIG RISK. THE FEEDBACK TEACHERS PROVIDE DURING ORAL OR WRITTEN WORK IS VERY IMPORTANT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT WHEN TEACHING ENGLISH TO KIDS, CORRECTING LANGUAGE FORM OR CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE?
EXPLAIN WHY.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT SOME OF YOUR CLASSMATES COMMENTARIES?

I think both are important because correcting language will help children to communicate better, have better understanding and they will develope and improve a better way to talk. With the content of the message we will be giving them a note and a clue of what are their mistakes in order to correct them with no ofense and Ss will be more confident at the time we are correcting grammar and structures.

I think most of the classmates agreed about the importance of communication either oral or written.

lizethjazmin Sáb Jul 09, 2011 12:19 am

[quote="gabylour"]ASSESSING STUDENTS IS A HARD TASK AND SOMETIMES A BIG RISK. THE FEEDBACK TEACHERS PROVIDE DURING ORAL OR WRITTEN WORK IS VERY IMPORTANT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT WHEN TEACHING ENGLISH TO KIDS, CORRECTING LANGUAGE FORM OR CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE?
EXPLAIN WHY.

BOTH ARE IMPORTANT, HOWEVER I THINK AT THE BEGGINING IS IMPORTANT TO CORRECT THEM AT LANGUAGE FORM BECAUSE IF WE DONT CORRECT THE ERROR THEY CAN CONTINUE MAKING IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
AND THE SECOND WE CAN CORRECT THEM ABOUT THE MESSAGE BUT IF THEY COMMIT SOME MISTAKE IS NOT REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY BE ABLE TO COMUNITE THE MESSAGE AT THE END.

gpe. fatima mendoza rdez Sáb Jul 09, 2011 3:29 am

ASSESSING STUDENTS IS A HARD TASK AND SOMETIMES A BIG RISK. THE FEEDBACK TEACHERS PROVIDE DURING ORAL OR WRITTEN WORK IS VERY IMPORTANT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT WHEN TEACHING ENGLISH TO KIDS, CORRECTING LANGUAGE FORM OR CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE?
EXPLAIN WHY.

Both are very important but there are steps o sequences to do this, first content of message give ss all oportunities in order to organize the ideas (cognitive) in a meanigful way t express feelings or whatever things.
Perhaps, correct language is going to imporve along time because to learn an other language take many time to be the best.

Alejandra Alfaro Alonzo Mar Jul 12, 2011 5:02 am

BY ALEJANDRA ALFARO ALONZO
I think language form is important but if we correct them while they speak we can get the risk to stop them and may be they wonñt be able to do it again, I think we have to let them talk and finally correct language because if they express their ideas in not a normal way and it is understandable no matter, we will correct grammar later, first they have to feel confident with themselves and their partners.
I agree with Gabylu let them talk and correct after they finish.

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